The Future of Podcasting Conferences
Why Smaller Podcasting Conferences Might Be the Future
We reflect on the recent Podcast Movement in DC, likened to a "podcast summer camp," and discuss its challenges, from noisy venues to balancing industry presence and independent podcasters.
Dave shares insights from a smaller, more intimate podcast event at a Holiday Inn, highlighting the cost-effectiveness and stronger connections made.
We explore the potential future shift towards smaller, niche conferences, and Daniel proposes innovative ideas like value-for-value-based events using cryptocurrency.
From the power of in-person networking to the benefits of hyper-focused sessions, this episode is packed with insights on how these gatherings could reshape the podcasting community.
Plus, we entertain the idea of a future-focused podcasting conference, bringing together tech advancements and creative minds. So, stay tuned, and let's explore the future of podcasting together!
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00:00 - None
00:24 - Podcast Movement Relfections
00:45 - All in One Room
03:28 - Union Worker Woes
04:28 - The Catch 22
10:08 - From Small to Big to Small?
11:37 - Haning With Like Minded People
12:18 - Big Announcements at PM
13:50 - A New Movement to Small Conferences?
15:33 - Single Track Events - Affordable Hotels
19:19 - Niche Shows In the Future?
21:12 - Real Life Niche Shows
23:12 - A 2.0 Conference?
26:16 - Podcamps Back in the Day
29:33 - Why In Person is Better
30:49 - Online Attendance
33:08 - No Agenda Meetups
34:12 - Thank You Supporters
The future of podcasting conferences. This is the future of
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podcasting, where we ponder what awaits the podcasters of
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today. From the school of podcasting,
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here's Dave Jackson. And from the audacity to podcast,
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here's Daniel j Lewis. Daniel, future of podcasting
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episode number 49, the future of
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podcasting conferences. I, I just came back
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from Podcast Movement in DC. The capital of podcasting?
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Yes. And, or as I like to call it, podcast summer
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camp is really what it felt like. It was, I had a
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great time. It was great to catch up with a lot of people, met some
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new people. And in general, it was a good time, a
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little different. They had all the sessions
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minus the keynotes were in this ginormous
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concrete room where all the vendors were. So the vendors were happy because
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everybody was in that room to get to the different stages.
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That's the good news. It was rather noisy, and people like to point
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out that there was no carpet. And that is true, and I was very, very
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happy to not be standing at a booth. Now Lipson did have carpet in
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their booth, but if I had to stand there all day on on concrete in
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a booth, my feet would be I'd wanna cut them off. So that was a
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little different. How they got around it, because it did make it noisy,
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is when you went to sessions, they had wireless headphones. And
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you could basically just grab a pair and stay in there all day, and then
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you would just click a button and it would go to different channels. And, eventually,
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you would hear the sound of your speaker, the person on
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stage, show up in your headphones. So that was kinda needed. It
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solved the problem of, hey. The audience isn't gonna be able to hear me. The
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side effect of that was, as a presenter, a, if you
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had a massive plosives going on, you had no
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idea. And I know I always try to make
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people giggle. And so when you kinda tell a joke or something funny, and
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you can't tell if it landed or not because you can't hear them, so that
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was a little different. That reminds me of the
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first podcast movement ever. It was Clinton from
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Comedy Forecast, got a few podcasters together, including myself, to do
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a comedy routine during one of the
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gatherings of the evenings. And so I got up there. I prepared
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this whole script and everything. It was hilarious, by the way. Thank you.
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I got to hear it before anybody else. And I was like, oh, Daniel's gonna
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kill with this. It was amazing. And then I felt
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I I mean, I could see a couple people laughing.
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I think you were one of them, and maybe someone else could hear me. But
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no one could hear me, which was just so much the
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metaphor of what podcasting is like, shouting in a noisy room, hoping that
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anybody will listen to you. But that's what it was like
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then for just that little thing. Yeah. That would
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be stressful to do a conference every session like
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that. I had the thought of, oh, why don't they do something like
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everyone pull out your smartphones, use your earbuds if you already have earbuds
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or use this thing that we provide to you and you could livestream it. But
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then you would have the delay because there would be the conversion to
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digital, the live streaming, the transmission through the Internet, all of that. So that
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wouldn't work. So their in person thing, it kind of surprises me
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that they would go with that as being less expensive
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than probably some other kind of acoustic treatment. Yeah. I
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just know when I was working with the New Media Expo,
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and we had a session coming up, and we had 4 speakers.
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It was a panel, and we had 3 chairs. And so I called,
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the guy that was running it. I'm like, hey. We need another chair. And he
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goes, are you sure? And I'm like, well, yeah. We don't want
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this person that came here to talk to have to stand. And he's like,
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oh, alright. And so it was in Vegas. We
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had to have a union worker bring over a chair, and it cost us
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$300 to have somebody move the chair. And I've heard
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Dan Franks talk about podcast movement because, you know, there'll be times
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when they'll have free coffee. Know, there's like a coffee station or whatever,
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and it's insane numbers of 1,000 of dollars
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for free coffee. Because when you've got 2,000 people drinking
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coffee and they've all went out the night before to some Iheart
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party, there's a lot of coffee the next morning. And there's the
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markup too for the event. It always costs more to have
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the food brought to the event. Yeah. But it's it's kind of
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a catch 22 in a way because this particular one
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I've always seen podcast evolutions as like the one
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where the big networks go and, you know, they do,
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upfronts where, hey. Here's what, you know, this particular
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advertising agency can bring, and here are the really popular shows that you wanna
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advertise on. They do that kind of stuff, and there are a lot of meetings
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at that. And Podcast Movement was supposed to be kind of for
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the independent podcaster, and they were definitely
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there, but not in the numbers, you know, like in the
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past. And some people said, well, it was during the week,
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so you had to take off work if you had a job. Other people
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mentioned that not only did you have to take off from your job, but it
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was the 1st week of school for many people. So that might have kept people
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away. And so, consequently, there were a fair number of
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people that were from, you know, for lack of better phrase,
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industry, where I remember the last two sessions. I didn't get to go to them,
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but I really wanted to hear them. One was, like, how to
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record a podcast in today's modern situation or whatever it
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was. And everyone on the panel was from radio. And I was like, oh,
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this is a different point of view. I'd really love to hear this. And there
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was another one that was, again, kind of ad agency kind
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of panels. And that's fine. I mean, that's a that's one little bubble part of
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podcasting. But it seemed like the industry people had kinda
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snuck into what used to be the indie podcast.
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I'm not sure why people weren't there before, but you it was at the
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Gaylord Hotel. And if you've ever been in a Gaylord, it is a
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small city under one roof. It's amazing. They're
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I mean, it's just you see it. You're like, I can't believe this. However, those
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are not cheap even though Podcast Movement always negotiates
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to get a a cheaper price. But when they're normally,
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whatever, $300, and they get them down to 2.50 a night, that
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adds up real quick. And I don't remember what the price was for a room.
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But by having that Gaylord, then you do get the industry people in
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because they're used to you know, they're big shot smarty pants, so they they need
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a big they're not gonna stay at the Holiday Inn or the Motel 6. So
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it's kind of a catch 22. You need those people because those are also, in
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many cases, your advertisers that will have their logo on the
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front page, so you need that. But on the other hand, if you have them
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in these really giant hotels, well, then maybe the average
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podcaster can't afford it, especially if he has to take a week off
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from work to pay for it. So it's it's just tricky how you do
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it. You know, smaller venues, smaller hotels, from from what I
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understand, and you can talk to this because I know you did a a Cincinnati
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event. It sounds like doing a small event
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is almost the same amount of work as doing a big event.
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It's just a big event has more risk involved because you've got more hotel rooms
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that you've paid for and things like that? Actually, I would say no.
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It's probably not because well, it depends
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on the level of quality that you want to attain.
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I did Podcamp Cincinnati. I did most of the work on that.
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I had some volunteers helping with a few things here and there, especially day
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of, like, for setting up and checking in and all of that stuff.
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But organizing it, scheduling it, all of that
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stuff, that was pretty much all me. You remember how tired I
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was. But bringing up Podcamp, that's a
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blast from the past. And the whole reason why we're talking about this in
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light of podcast movement, and we were planning to talk about this
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anyway before podcast movement now that we just had a podcast movement,
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the timing is still relevant. I thought of how it's
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interesting to see the well, not rise and fall. It's not
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like that but do imagine that on a graph, like the rise and fall on
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a graph, but I'm not saying that the rise and fall of conferences
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but of the type of conferences that we've had
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where in the beginning of podcasting, it was all of
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these small conferences. We had Podcamps
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all over the place. Now are there any Podcamps, like,
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actually called Podcamps at all? I haven't heard of 1 in a while.
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It's kind of funny because it does remind me the reason
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podcast movement came to be is because
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of the New Media Expo had blogging. They had
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video. They had podcasting. I forget what else.
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But it was all these different genres of content creation under one
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umbrella. I have a picture. It's me, Dan, Jared, and
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Rob Walsh. And we kinda were all going, wouldn't this be
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cool if it was just podcasting? Because back then, when
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you were a podcaster, you weren't really because, again, video was really
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expensive and insane to even get into. So, that's kind of where
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podcast movement was born on. What if we just talked about podcasting?
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And now that podcasting is so big, you do have kind of the
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smaller podcast or hyper niche, and then you have the
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big shows with the big budgets. And in some cases, it's not that they're
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celebrities. They just end up being celebrities because they got so
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popular. And I think that's something that may be a little
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different is like, we didn't see the girl
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from caller daddy. We didn't see like, we saw the guy from,
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Diary of a CEO. He was a keynote, but you didn't see him after that.
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He came in, did his keynote, was you know? Now he might have been someplace,
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but I didn't see him. And not that it's really fractured.
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It's just there are different people on different levels, and that should
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be a good thing if we can get the people that have found
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some success to, you know, share with the people who are just starting, that would
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be awesome. And I think that shows the growth and maturity of the
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industry, where in the early days, it was like, hey. Are
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there any other podcasters out there? Let's try to see
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if enough of us exist or can travel to the
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same place to maybe share a space with another
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conference. You know, there might be a podcasting session
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at a conference. There might be a podcasting track at a couple of
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conferences, like New Media Expo or Social Media Marketing World, these,
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like, social media or new media style conferences, and then
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podcast movement was born. And at the same time, there were
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smaller podcasting conferences. But what it feels like is happening is
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we started with these small independent
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regional conferences, then we grew up
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into the big national and international conferences.
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And it feels like now we're getting back into the small
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again because some of the things that you said and some of the things I've
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heard from other people who have attended some of these conferences is they
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often feel like there's no one like them. Like, I
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know one person who attended one of these big conferences. He
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has a podcast that he does just for fun. He does make some money from
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it, but he does it just for fun. And he went to a conference, and
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he said, I'm never going to a conference again because it's
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all about how do you make money, how do you build a business, how
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do you and I feel like maybe he just went to some of the wrong
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sessions, but that there was that perception.
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And he wanted to go just to hang out with other podcasters
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and have the conversations or learn about things like, hey. What do you do
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when you feel like you have nothing to podcast about? What do you do
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when you feel like your audience doesn't love you anymore? What do you do when
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these things or do you ever run into these struggles? And
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I see now while these big conferences will continue and I
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think definitely should because it's good to have industry
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level events where industry level stuff can
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happen. And indie podcasters can go to that kind of thing.
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And certainly, I think, have a space there and deserve to still be
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able to speak there as well. That's where you can hear cool announcements. Like
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it was during podcast movement that Apple announced
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the new Apple Podcasts on the web. It's not an Android
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app, but at this point, maybe that won't actually happen. But it does work
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on Android now. So that kind of thing, that happened, it
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seems, timed that specifically to happen during Podcast
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Movement. And lots of these big companies have the meetings at Podcast
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Movement or these other really large podcasting conferences.
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Those should definitely continue, and I recommend podcasters make their
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way to one of these big conferences at some point. Yeah. That
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is a key point because they did have that podcast movement
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one evening. I didn't go to the opening kind of networking event. I was
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at a, I was actually at NPR watching a tiny desk concert, which
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was great fun. And that's because of my podcast story because I
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knew somebody who won tickets. But, anyway, I think it was, like, the 3rd
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night. They just had they had these big huge hallways, and they
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just set up a table and put a sign. It was like, this is the
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Christian podcaster meetup. This is the I own a
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studio, meetup. There was one for nonprofits,
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one for and so it was kind of fun to just go down the hallway
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and just network with people. And that really is, I think, one of the biggest
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benefits. So you you do kind of get that, is there anybody here like
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me? And that's, I think, one of the biggest benefits because
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sometimes we just feel like we're the only person in the world that's, you know,
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talking about this subject. So when you find somebody else, you're like, oh my gosh.
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I'm not weird. There is somebody who still likes this. Well
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and that's where I see this new movement of
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conferences happening that now we're getting back
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into the small conferences, but not small like they were in the early
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days where it was just any podcasters wanted to get together with any podcasters.
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Now I see those niche podcast conferences happening.
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Like, the Spark Christian Media Conference for Christian
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podcasters. There are other podcasting conferences
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for other niches. And that's what I would love to
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see more of in the future is, hey. How about we have
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a podcasting conference all about sports
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podcasting? And that's it. Every session is something
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about sports podcasting. It might be only a 1 or 2 day
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conference. It might have only 1 or 2 tracks. That is
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okay. When you niche down to something like that, in fact, you
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might only want a single track
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because if it's already niche, it's very possible everyone who's
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coming wants to attend every session in that niche
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because they are tightly involved in that niche. Yeah. In the early days
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of Podfest, I think they considered the second one. I
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considered the first one. But it was in Florida. It was
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next to a Ramada Inn that was okay. It wasn't super
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fancy. And it was one room. There's one room for it.
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And I remember the vendors were on the walls, the back
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walls, and then there were tables in the middle, and then you had a
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stage. And everybody got to get the exact
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same information, and then there'd be a break. And we'd all go out in the
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hallway or whatever and talk about what we just saw. And then
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after, you know, the break's over, you'd go back in. Same thing for,
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Joe Pardo used to do I I think he now calls it Indy
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PodCon. Back then, it was called, Mid Atlantic
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something, and that was one of my favorite conferences ever. He
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always called it Philly, but it wasn't. I don't know where it was, but it
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it was, you know, outside of Philly, And there was a Wawa, which is just
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an oversized gas station. And if you went across the street, there was
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a Wendy's, and it was in a Holiday Inn. And between
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I don't mind Holiday Inn. Get more value based than that?
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Yeah. And because, really, all we did at the Holiday
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Inn, number 1, it was nice that where the
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a water at the Gaylord was $9 for a
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bottle of water. And at the Holiday Inn, you know,
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a beer was maybe $3. And this is probably 10 years ago.
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And if you you know, like I said, if you wanna go crazy, you could
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go to Wendy's across the street. But I remember by the end of that and
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there were probably I'd say a 100 to a 120 at that
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one. And by the end of I think you got
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there in the middle of the day, like, on a Friday evening. We had a
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little meet and greet. There might have been, like, a opening ceremony, and then it
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was almost all Saturday, and then everybody went home on Sunday. So it was really
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almost a one day kinda thing. And by the end of it, you
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had met everyone there. And I met some of those people
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at Podcast Movement. Like, I hadn't talked to them in a long time. It was
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great because, one guy's name is Raff, and he does a
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served podcast. It's all about helping people in the
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military transition back into just being a civilian. And
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when he told me about all the stories he had, and it's just not as
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easy as it sounds, I I stayed up probably till 2 or
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3 in the morning talking to him at that conference going, you gotta launch
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this thing. Because every time he'd say something, I'm like, that was episode 1. Why
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aren't you releasing these? And so you do build
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relationships with that. And I think even Joe brought in
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food. That was the other thing. He didn't really charge a whole lot, but, you
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know, you have to be careful because you do kinda get what you pay for.
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But that was an amazing event. And I think,
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if I remember right, I think Blueberry, Libsyn, you know, some of the
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hosts did help sponsor it because, again, it it's
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there's a lot of time put into it, plus you wanna market it and
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things like that. So that that's my favorite time. And what's kind of,
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I I don't wanna say sad because I'm with you. We need big conferences. It's
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nice when we get everyone together. But the minute we have
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a really good small event, people are like, this is amazing. And it
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makes sense because you're like, I want everyone to experience this great
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thing that I just went through. But the problem is when you make it ginormous,
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now you've got to find a hotel that will hold you. I was at one
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conference, and it was the last day, and people are starting to check out.
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And the guy's going over his bill, and he's like, well, I paid for a
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resort fee that I never used. He's like, I was in was
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in the conference, and he was just going through the bill. And he's like, why
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do they have these things at such large hotels? And I was
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like, because there are thousands of us now. You can't do
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3,000 people at the Holiday Inn. There's there's not that many
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rooms. So the bigger the hotel, the bigger the price,
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the bigger the risk if they're buying a bunch of, rooms in advance. So it
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is kinda tricky when it gets bigger, and, it's a lot of
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work. And you think about what can you really fit into
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the big conferences anymore because you can't really have
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just a full day of a sports podcasting
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track or a TV after show podcasting
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track or a Christian podcaster track or, you know, all
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of these things. There's just not the space for that. And besides that, there
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are all of these other things happening at the same time at a large conference
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like that. So that's where I see the future of these
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podcasting conferences is going to become niche
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again as we'll have the small events
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of a couple dozen or a few dozen people, and that can be totally okay.
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Like, you and I also went to that event that David Hooper hosted
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in Nashville several years ago. And
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there, he he brought in Little Caesar's Pizza for everyone. It was
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at a place where we could have fountain drinks there that we could
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easily have during the breaks or anything like that to have with the pizza.
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And that was great. I made some great connections there too. And, also,
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when it's small like that, it truly does become a
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more intimate connection because you can get the audience
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involved much more. And that's what they did in that
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small one day conference. They got the audience involved.
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They got them up on stage doing certain things,
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workshopping certain ideas. You can do that a lot more with
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a smaller thing. So if you listening right now
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have been thinking, I really wish we could have a track
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about this at Podcast Movement or Podfest.
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Maybe you could do that yourself. Have a conference in your
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area. Find a local conference room or meeting
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space that's big enough, that's close enough to food, maybe close enough to
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some inexpensive hotels. And that could be far less expensive
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for people to attend if they want to. You
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wouldn't get the big name celebrities, probably
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not, unless one of them lives nearby and podcasts about that
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thing or is in that niche. But do you really need
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that? I think it's these smaller things
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that might interest podcasters a bit more sometimes
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to go to, not on a recurring basis, but to be able to
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try more and more of them. I could see maybe
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presenting at something like a TV show or
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movie fan podcast conference where it's all about how to podcast
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about TV shows and movies. I could present a session there and I could
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if I was still hosting a podcast about a TV show, I'd love to network
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with other people also podcasting about TV shows.
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We've seen Christian podcast conferences. I wasn't able to make
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it to the latest one. I really, really regretted that. I really
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wanted to be there. I just couldn't make it happen, But that
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can be a thing too. And, like, speaking also of in that Christian
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realm, I went to National Religious Broadcasters
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Convention, an RB show in Nashville earlier in
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2024, and I got to speak there on podcasting. And
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that is religious broadcasters. It's mostly the
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big broadcasting corporations and
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ministries there. But I was surprised
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that there were even some smaller podcasters, some
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independent people looking around, talking to vendors,
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going to some of the sessions. A lot of stuff didn't really apply to them.
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I'm glad that they got value from my session, which was about how to start
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a podcast. But it was that same kind of thing where the indies were in
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this space where they could get some value from it but
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not the whole thing. The whole thing was too big for them. But
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they still got to be inspired. They got to see some of
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these people speak. They got to meet some of these people,
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these, quote, celebrities, unquote, that they might not have ever
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gotten the chance to see, meet, listen to, or anything like
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that because it was a big event. But then
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at the small events, you get to have the conversations, the connections
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that you don't get at the bigger things. So I feel like the
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future is going to become small again
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in size, but also more focused
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with the niches of these different conferences. And even
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especially with stuff now like what we're doing in podcasting 2.0,
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like the streaming satoshis and all of that, the value for value and
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boostergrams and all of that. Imagine a conference, a
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whole conference that could work like that. We recently had that music
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festival where it was all value for value for the music festival. Imagine a
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conference like that where you could get in maybe
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for free. Maybe there's a small ticket charge just to
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cover certain expenses or something. But then maybe, like, you
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distribute your satoshis or whatever currency it is
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to the sessions you go to, or maybe they're automatically distributed
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to wherever you go. Like, when you check-in on the app into a certain
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session, then automatically your, whatever, 100,000
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satoshis goes to that speaker. And then for your next session, your
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100,000 satoshis goes to them or whatever the value is. 10,100,
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whatever that thing is. But that could be a really neat idea of
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building a conference like that. I think it should still be niche
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enough to attract that kind of audience that could do that kind of
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thing. Like, a Bitcoin conference would obviously work with something like
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that. But a cryptocurrency podcasters
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conference, perfect for something like that because already everyone
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going there knows cryptocurrency. They're familiar with
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that exchange, and it's just a little bit more of a stretch
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for them to do that. So the perspective, I think,
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is being opened up by what Podcasting 2.0 is showing
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is possible to do. Even just with an RSS
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feed that we've discovered, like with the value block and things that you can do
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and wallet switching and all of this kind of stuff. You could do that
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same thing in a conference. But even without that technical
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aspect, I want to see more
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smaller, local, niche podcasting
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conferences, whatever the topic is.
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Because you might get one session on that subject at a big
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conference, but you could have a whole conference about that one thing.
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Yeah. And the other thing about that is what
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if you say, well, I've I've booked this place. It holds
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a 150 people, and then we sell out of tickets.
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That's when I'm like, well, that's proof of concept. Now you can raise your
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your ticket price a little bit and do it more maybe do 2 a year
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instead of 1. I would much rather go to a conference
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where everything you see is like, oh, this is exactly what I need. I know
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Steve Stewart has done that at Podfest. They have a whole
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track for editors, and they do try to make tracks. It's usually like
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beginner, intermediate, monetization,
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promotion. So they kinda try to niche down. But to have not only
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to say now, hey. I want to do a a podcast
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event for authors so we can talk about how to promote your
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book and how to podcast and value for value for authors or
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whatever. It's like, wow. These guys are talking exactly, you know, what I came here
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to hear. So that would be, be interesting.
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And I know you mentioned Podcamps. Podcamp was a really small
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gathering. Well, it was intimate. And it was usually
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I think in some cases, it was, like, at a library. I don't know. I
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only went to 1, and they had it in a very small theater on
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a college campus. And the whole point was you'd have I
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think anybody could speak, but you had to kind of register ahead of time.
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I think I could be it's been a a while. And then you
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were encouraged that if somebody started talking and you're like, this isn't for
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me, you're allowed to just get up and leave, vote with your feet, and go
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find another room. And so I went to podcamp.org. Do
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not go there. It hurts your eyes. It's it's a pod it's a
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page from, I don't know,
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1998, maybe. I don't know. It's it's bad. It's a old weird looking
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Wiki. I know Chris is it Chris Brogan was the guy that started those
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back in the day? So maybe we need to, reach out to
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Chris and go, hey. Let's dust off podcasts. Because they were a lot of
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fun. It took a little organization. How long do you think
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somebody needs to promote it to get people to show up?
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Probably 3 to 6 months from the Yeah. The 3
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to 6 month region could be just saying this is going to
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happen on this date, location, and schedule pending.
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But, like, with the Podcamp, a lot can happen last
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minute. It fits into this idea of unconference
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comes really from a bar camp was a different idea of
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programmers getting together and some people just getting up and doing
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a session, some people just sitting together and programming together, and some people
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having conversations in the hallways. That's where this kind of unconference
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idea comes in where, yes, there might be a schedule, but there are
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also blanks that anyone is welcome to fill in that blank. And I've
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seen that happen a couple of times before where someone just says, hey. I'm
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gonna do a session about this. Anyone who's interested, come down to this
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room and join me for this session. And they get a few
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people show up, connections made, lots of fun had.
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When it's smaller, it doesn't have to be big.
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I know that sounds like or super profound
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maybe. But what I mean by that is you go to podcast
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movement, and you see they've got these huge
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props on the stage. And many of them
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are branded specifically to that
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conference at that location. So it's not like
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it's the same podcast movement prop year after year. Well, they did
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have a prop like that for a while. I don't think they're using it anymore.
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But the branding was specific. They've got
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screens all over the place, big fancy lights, all of this stuff.
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You know, it's a whole show really, just the conference
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itself. A smaller conference doesn't have to be that
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big. A smaller conference can be a
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projector on a screen, And that's your stage.
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It can be smaller. Some of these conferences might even be
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the possibility of having a conference so small that you don't even need
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a sound system. Although, I always recommend a sound system and
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always record whatever you do at a conference, record it.
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But there's so much potential in these smaller
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niches. I know the default is gonna be like, well,
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wouldn't it just be easier if you did it online? And sure. But
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I think we can all agree it's not the same. Yeah. And I was trying
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to figure out why I identified it. It's because
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when you go to these conferences, you end up making memories.
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Mhmm. Whether whatever you do even if it's just hanging out in a
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hotel lobby, chat with those 4 guys. I remember it was
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me, Todd Cochran, and oh, I can't remember. But there were, like, 3
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guys. But I remember we were all being super vulnerable. And I was like,
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man, if this is being recorded but we're all able to kinda let our guard
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down and and really talk about it. And like this last time, I went
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to a a tiny desk concert at NPR. I got to see the
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Clydesdales with, my buddy, Bruce. I went to lunch with
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Monica Rivera. You know? And these are things that you just can't do
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online. It's you know, you can do the little networking sessions, and let's all do
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an icebreaker. And there's nothing wrong with that, by the way. That's better than nothing.
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But I was trying to figure out, like, what's the difference between networking
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online and networking in person? I'm like, I think there's just something about
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shaking somebody's hand, giving somebody a a hug, or whatever it is. It's
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that personal it's just another form of communication, I guess, that
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just makes it, I think, a little deeper. Yeah. And I think of how
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many conferences, online conferences, and summits that I've
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registered for. Do you know how many I have actually attended
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to the level of engagement that I would have attended a live
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conference? Take a guess. 1?
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0. Okay. And I've paid for some of
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them too. And I think it's so much is mindset
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of some people might think, oh, I can watch this or I can,
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quote, attend, unquote, this while I'm doing other things.
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And then you just forget or you get distracted or you don't make the
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time for it. Whereas if you're going somewhere, you're taking time off
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maybe, but you're present physically and much
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more mentally because you're present physically. So here's the
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question to you, Dave, the challenge. When are we going to
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do the future of podcasting conference?
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Well, that is a good question. You could do something like that. We could have
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a one day conference where every session during the
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day, it's a single track conference. Every session is
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something about preparing your podcast for the future. Now a lot of
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that would be stuff like podcasting 2 point
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o things. Some of it could be things about upgrading
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certain podcasting technology, like maybe really talking about why
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you need to replace your old live music
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mixer with something like a Rodecaster Pro or whatever the newest
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technology is. Or it could be certain conceptual
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things, like how to prepare your podcast
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for your death or how to cancel proof your podcast
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or certain things like that that are all focused on the future of
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podcasting as a whole as well as the future of your
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podcast and how to ensure the future of your podcast and
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leverage these new things to make your podcast better.
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We could do that in a one day conference, maybe even a 2 day conference.
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Don't nail us down on it, anybody. But Yeah. Definitely, something like
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that could happen. Columbus, Ohio is halfway between my house and your
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house now. Thinking that. Yeah. Know, that would be crazy if we
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did that because that is also where we supposedly met.
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Yes. I think so. A long time ago. Yeah. That would be
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interesting. Just an example and, again, it's kind of always
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weird when you quote no agenda because their audience is
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huge, but they have people doing meetups. Their
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audience has their own little, like, gatherings. It's it's not so much a
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conference, but it's that, again, physical connection of seeing people eye
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to eye. And they're usually at a restaurant, so they're eating food together, and
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it just builds that bond. And, you know, it doesn't have to be
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super crazy. I used to do the Northeast Ohio podcasters meetup,
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and we met, it was really cool, at a local radio station. And so
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they let us use kind of their conference room, and and that was cool. But
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then when COVID hit, we moved online, and
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then we got really used to doing it online because we weren't
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eating food. It was just basically hanging out and leaving, and so we didn't really
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lose anything by going to, online. But, yeah, the wheels are
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turning in my head. Since you looked at this loony old man.
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Exactly. Alright, Daniel. Well, we've been gone a little
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bit, while I was out and about. Have we received any Boostagrams?
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We got a bunch of streaming Satoshis and a couple of Boostagrams from
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Sam and CreativityFound. So thank you so much for sending
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those, and make sure that you're using a podcast app that can
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send value back. So think about what value you got from this
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podcast. Consider sending that back through a podcasting 2.0
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app. And if you want to make some money, I have an
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opportunity for you that Dave has given me permission to share. I have
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revamped the Podgagment affiliate program. So even if you
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don't use Podgagment yourself to engage your audience and grow your podcast, which I
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think you should, but you can recommend it to other podcasters
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and earn some nice commissions from it and even some
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other cool things that can happen by being an affiliate. If you're interested in that,
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I'd love to have you as an affiliate. Dave is an affiliate, and
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he promotes it. He gets paid too. I love sending Dave money every month. I'd
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love to send you money every month too. You can check it out over at
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podgagement.com/affiliates.
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And the link will be in the show notes. And I think that'll do it
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for, this episode of the future of podcasting. If you
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know someone who's been thinking about maybe creating a a
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some sort of event or is just interested in
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podcasting 2.0 and the future of podcasting, go to that share button
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and send it on over to them. We would greatly appreciate that. Or just tell
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them to go to future of podcasting.net. But that is gonna do
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it. This one is in the books. Keep boosting. Keep podcasting. And
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maybe start your own podcast conference or 2.